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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:07 am 
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I would say Looper is definitive in its use of telekinesis, drawing inspiration from Katsuhiro Otomo who is famous for the anime / manga Akira. In all of animated cinema Akira is the most realistic and thorough portrayal of telekinesis, and it finds its mirror image for live action movies in Looper.

Rian makes great movies and great experiences, what makes his directing Star Wars VIII of particular interest compared to his peers is this expertise in telekinesis. In addition to trying out new things, I fully expect him to milk this expertise for all it is worth. I want to be blown away by something that feels so real I have no choice but to believe it even though I know it is impossible. Rian is the only one I know that is capable of this. Star Wars VIII should be a treatise to the force as the force in addition to being everything else a Star Wars movie is.

I don't have any contact info for Rian, so this is my only way to say hi to him. So in this regard the post isn't really a question as much as it is a regurgitation of his own statement to himself:

DEAR LORD PLEASE DON'T FUCK UP!


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:02 am 
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Well way to put the pressure on dude seriously. No one will ever be able to make a better film than A New Hope, so go back and watch that.

That being said, your point on telekinesis compared to the force is an interesting comparison that I hadn't thought of before. I loved the way JJ portrayed the Force in the Force Awakens, I thought that was by far an interesting way to approach the force as an identity.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:56 am 
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allow me to strenuously object while fervently disbelieving in either.
employment of telekinesis is an active use of a personal internal power.
employment of the force is a passive yielding to an impersonal external power.
the two could hardly be more different.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:30 am 
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Neil_Leach wrote:
allow me to strenuously object while fervently disbelieving in either.
employment of telekinesis is an active use of a personal internal power.
employment of the force is a passive yielding to an impersonal external power.
the two could hardly be more different.


:shock: mind blown. I never thought of the difference before and that is astounding. Thank you neil

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:26 am 
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Neil_Leach wrote:
allow me to strenuously object while fervently disbelieving in either.
employment of telekinesis is an active use of a personal internal power.
employment of the force is a passive yielding to an impersonal external power.
the two could hardly be more different.


Oh snap, that's a hell of an observation! Well stated!

But, doesn't Yoda also say to let the Force flow through you? So, it is an external power, but you access it (or it accesses you?) and basically you use your will to, you know, move shit around like. Lightsabers and X Wings (though honestly if I could use the Force, I would just Force-float ice cream into my mouth-hole all day. I'd never even have to leave the chair. I'd be a terrible Jedi.)

So maybe telekinesis does access external power - it's possible (or as possible as telekinesis is.) Or maybe it's totally not that. Maybe it's people using their brain waves to affect matter, with no middle-man.

Well, either way, these are fantastic ideas! I never thought much about this before!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:13 pm 
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Obi-Wan: Remember, a Jedi feels the force flowing through him.

Luke: You mean it controls your actions?

Obi-Wan: Partially. But it also obeys your command.

(From A New Hope. (From memory. There may be a small error or two in my recollection))

I've always viewed the force as a semi-sentient energy field (I think Obi-Wan describes it as an energy field at one point?) that a Jedi or Sith can tap into for various purposes. An energy field that doesn't just provide power for kinetic purposes but also knowledge. Perhaps the sum total of all living creatures in the universe, both past and present? Which would suggest a source for the visions and foresight available to force users. Though I'm not eager to find real explanations for anything - the force is, above all else, a mystical power, not a scientific one.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:45 pm 
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Day Glo wrote:
... the force is, above all else, a mystical power, not a scientific one.

huge logic booboo there. if the force WORKS, it can and probably must be BOTH.
avoid the either/or of popular culture. many phenomena which can at least
partially be accounted for scientifically are most fully accounted for by
both/and logic.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:41 pm 
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The Force definitely works in Star Wars universe. I think it's based on Tao in real life, or am I wrong? Does it work in real life? (Not for me. SO FAR.)

But, OTOH we're talking about internal logic, and yeah, in the world of SW, it definitely works and is A Thing.

But on the OTHER other hand, there are people (or were, I guess,) who don't believe in The Force. And it takes them forever, and tons of evidence, to come around.

So, OMG - was Han Solo sort of like a Flat-Earther in SW universe? :shock:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:46 am 
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JulesKD wrote:
The Force definitely works in Star Wars universe. I think it's based on Tao in real life, or am I wrong?

that has been my take, The Force = Ch'i or qi (氣), "energy force" in Chinese culture. but on steroids. or asteroids. a much
easier concept to deal with in a fictional framework than say shakti or ectoplasm or snake oil. AND a concept with which
most Americans are already familiar if not necessarily conversant. easy peasy. perhaps not the most creative use of
narrative imagination, but it does play to the intended audience's sensibilities which is vital if you want to move your
product.

JulesKD wrote:
So, OMG - was Han Solo sort of like a Flat-Earther in SW universe? :shock:

absolutely. that has always been the main appeal to me of the character.
read it as secular antihero if you like, but i prefer pragmatist.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:26 am 
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So then I really wonder how people have gone so long without witnessing The Force at work. I feel like with communication and interstellar travel the way it is in SW, Force users (though obviously rare) must be scattered everywhere. I think you'd <i>have to</i> have seen someone use the Force to float a pear at their date at some point. :lol:

Denying it seems silly!

Oh, I did a whole short film about Tao and Qi a while back. I was in acupuncture school. :)


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JulesKD wrote:
Denying it seems silly!

you may want to reconsider that thought.

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39. All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.











i will resolutely refuse to divulge the source of this item

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 2:37 pm 
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I sort of remember this as an Emo Philips joke, but maybe he stole it from the original person (who I am also not divulging).


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