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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:20 pm 
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#3 tomorrow for me. I can't recommend being awoken at 7:30 am on a Saturday by a friend to have a few beers before going to the theater, then getting the bartender so excited about it that he pours you tequila shots, then you have four beers in the theater, get snoozy, order coffee to stay awake, then have two more beers afterward enough.

Reread it. It'll make sense.


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My third viewing was the best so far. Keeps getting better. :D Was also the first time I noticed Luke doesn’t leave footprints on Crait.

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I've been half-watching where most of the negative reactions were coming from and I have to say from that from what I saw on a demographic level, this comes as no surprise at all.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:36 am 
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Justin wrote:
I've been half-watching where most of the negative reactions were coming from and I have to say from that from what I saw on a demographic level, this comes as no surprise at all.


Isn't this a bit like ISIS taking credit for every act of violence the world over?


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Two (packed) viewing now. Probably one more on the horizon. I am so pleased with this film. Here are my scattered thoughts.


The second watch is even more enjoyable - there are plenty of clues & set-ups that you can only appreciate with the knowledge of what's to come. Keylo sets up Luke's force projecting early on - the first time he and Rey bridge their minds, he says “...It’s not you doing this. The effort would kill you,” setting up both the reveal that Snoke was doing it, but also that someone COULD project themselves into another space

, though it would take a great toll...

I got SO EXCITED when I saw the track that I thought we were going to do pod racing. I wish there had at least been a line about how these rich people are “too dignifyed for racing pods, so they race these…” or something. But at least Kylo tried spinning, which is a neat trick, so I got a LITTLE Phantom Menace call-back.



I'm glad I was right about Rey’s parentage. Making her a Skywalker isn't interesting. The only way this works goin forward is to drop the "chosen one" royal family BS about the Skywalkers and establish that anyone, including a poor person with drunk, distant parents can be powerful and shape the universe.

I l
ove Leia drowning in moonlight. We’ve always been teased that she has Force powers but has chosen not to use them. But when push comes to shove, she revels that she’s maybe the most powerful one out there…



"We are what they grow beyond” will be an iconic Yoda line, although "Page turners, they were not" cracks me up. We’ve been quoting “Reach out… Can you feel it? That’s the force!” all week.
 Honestly almost all the humor is spot on and organic to the characters. The couple moments that felt eye-rolly to me got big laughs from the audience, so I'll keep my mouth shut.

I’m seeing a lot of instances of “forget the past, kill it” as the theme of the film but also commentary on the franchise - but not seeing much reference to my FAVORITE instance of this… the earth that has literally been covered in salt. You know, salt the earth... Nice.

I don’t even understand what I’m looking at when Haldo light-speeds through Snoke’s ship. I couldn't describe it with words. I know that both times there were audible gasps and multiple people uttering “whoa”. Also the guy next to me just muttering “tight” when the guard takes the saber-blade to the face. These aren’t hecklers, but unconscious verbal responses out of actual shock. So that’s nice. Feeling something simultaneously with others is actual magic, which is why the theater experience always wins.



What I really love is 

Kylo Ren, in that instead of a traditional villain OR a redeemable misunderstood dark-to-light guy, he is a 4chan “Nice Guy”. His dad makes fun of his fedora, so he destroys it. He gets an internet crush on a girl over Skype because he didn’t think real nerd girls existed and emotionally escalates their relationship in his head way too fast. She talks to him because she wants to help, but when they meet IRLand have a little fun together, he’s suddenly “You are my girlfriend now” and she’s all “God damn it, NO, we are just friends. Please don’t make this weird.” And he totally does, throws a fit, calls her a bitch, and attacks her friends. What a perfect story for our times - so much more relevant than having him be pure evil or easily "saved".

Rian has always seemed to distance himself from politics and political opinion a bit, but then this movie went on to call rich people disgusting, shine a light on war profiteering, have our heroes partake in radical animal activism, make Chewie a vegetarian, and… promote yoga? I don’t know if I could have made a more “liberal” Star Wars if I tried. No wonder far-right fanboys are scripting shitty bots to cheat review aggregators…

So... Episode 9. 

If we’re just going to make stuff up and hold crazy high standards, I want all the Jedi Ghosts forming a protective ring around Rey and simultaneously casting Thunderaga on the Knights of Ren. And then a weepy clip-montage from all 9 episodes at the very end. In all honesty, I can only imagine it’s going to be a jump several years into the future, with Rey & friends having begun training force-sensitive kids with other loyal supporters from the galaxy having come to their aid, Leia peacefully gone, and Kylo having been asserted as the Supreme Leader (hopefully with his fedora MASK back, or an even more ridiculous one)

“. And he'll really have himself surrounded by the Knight of Ren as his own pupils/body guards. So that should be fun.

And if you doubt that there is still goodness and innocence in the galaxy, know that two older men during the credits of last night's screening were having a serious discussion as to whether TLJ was part of the "those new Marvel movies" or not. Bless.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:53 pm 
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This is, hands down, the best TLJ tweet: https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/942517714551058432


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What I really love is 

Kylo Ren, in that instead of a traditional villain OR a redeemable misunderstood dark-to-light guy, he is a 4chan “Nice Guy”. His dad makes fun of his fedora, so he destroys it. He gets an internet crush on a girl over Skype because he didn’t think real nerd girls existed and emotionally escalates their relationship in his head way too fast. She talks to him because she wants to help, but when they meet IRLand have a little fun together, he’s suddenly “You are my girlfriend now” and she’s all “God damn it, NO, we are just friends. Please don’t make this weird.” And he totally does, throws a fit, calls her a bitch, and attacks her friends. What a perfect story for our times - so much more relevant than having him be pure evil or easily "saved".

Rian has always seemed to distance himself from politics and political opinion a bit, but then this movie went on to call rich people disgusting, shine a light on war profiteering, have our heroes partake in radical animal activism, make Chewie a vegetarian, and… promote yoga? I don’t know if I could have made a more “liberal” Star Wars if I tried. No wonder far-right fanboys are scripting shitty bots to cheat review aggregators…


BWA-hahahahah-hahah


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Amazing take Marc! I've been rewatching A New Hope and the Original Trilogy all week and now knowing what happens to Luke Skywalker really makes sense to me. Making Luke Skywalker a tragic hero is so smart he barely defeats the emperor in the first place. I can't wait to see what happened to the rest of the Jedi Temple cuz I really think that's where we're going here.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:25 am 
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Also has anybody talked about how great Billie lourd is in this film?

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Regarding Billie Lourde, I agree that she did quite a nice job acting in the few spots she had.
I hope she becomes a more central character in Ep 9.


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Just saw it a second time and liked it even more than the first.
The few quibbles I thought about after the first viewing were a lot less noticeable than I thought (I actually like the Fin/Rose plotline a lot and it was tighter than I remember) and the great things stood out even more.
Can we just take a minute to praise the sound design, specifically the use of silence?
Obviously there was the kamikaze moment which really stood out on first viewing but also during the bombing run at the start of the film and the Kylo/Rey conversations use quiet/silence in really powerful ways to punctuate emotional beats. It managed not to feel like the same trick repeated but rather the same tool used to different effect.
I really, really hope the film wins awards for it because it's some of the best sound design I've heard in a while. In fact it was on of the first things my dad commented on immediately after the film finished (it was his first viewing and he loved it).

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My third viewing was the best so far. Keeps getting better. :D Was also the first time I noticed Luke doesn’t leave footprints on Crait.

My girlfriend pointed that out after our first viewing, she must have felt so smart. I noticed the lightsaber but not that or the different hair/beard.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:23 pm 
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Forgot to mention: I liked the iron joke.
I remember reading that the Slave I was designed after a lamp or something, and I was thinking, "wow, that ship looks a lot like an iron... it IS and iron!"
That got some laughs in my theater.


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What I really love is 

Kylo Ren, in that instead of a traditional villain OR a redeemable misunderstood dark-to-light guy, he is a 4chan “Nice Guy”. His dad makes fun of his fedora, so he destroys it. He gets an internet crush on a girl over Skype because he didn’t think real nerd girls existed and emotionally escalates their relationship in his head way too fast. She talks to him because she wants to help, but when they meet IRLand have a little fun together, he’s suddenly “You are my girlfriend now” and she’s all “God damn it, NO, we are just friends. Please don’t make this weird.” And he totally does, throws a fit, calls her a bitch, and attacks her friends. What a perfect story for our times - so much more relevant than having him be pure evil or easily "saved".


Damn, man. They have families.


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I'm sorry, I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm sort of chiming in here with my own thoughts without having read everyone else's, so I might be repeating some things!

I went to see this a few days ago, with 10 people, including my 4 year old son. I did have to look away now and then to make sure he wasn't spilling pizza on himself and such. :) I know I missed a few scenes, so this is just my overall general reaction.

Star Wars means so much to me. I might have mentioned this. I start bawling as soon as I see Lucasfilm in sparkly letters, and when the fanfare starts, forget it, I'm done. Even as much as I wasn't pleased with the prequels, I still have such a soft spot for TPM, because it came along at a time when I really needed a Star War. :)

So I saw TLJ, and then I had to sit with it a few days and really think: Did I love it because I wanted to love it? Or because I like Rian and wanted it to be good? Or was it genuinely good?

OMG you guys, it was genuinely good. Aside from a few niggling details, it might be my favorite. (My one detail, really: I didn't like when Poe saw Holdo and said she was not what he expected. Like.. in what way? In what way did he not expect her? But also, I mean why not just tell everyone your plan instead of this "you have to have faith" thing? Umm no, if my life is on the line, having faith that someone has a plan would not be enough to stop me from staging a revolt, either. :) )

I feel like this was Leia's movie, so much. That broke my heart through the whole thing. She was the Leia I've always wanted to see, and as I get older and the world continues down the toilet, the Leia I always wanted to BE. She's lived through every brand of shit there is. This movie was 100% what I've always loved about Leia: She's the only character who never ran away, never backed down, and was never even tempted by the Dark Side the way all the other Skywalkers did, and were. Leia was always the strongest character, and in TLJ, she is the best-written she's ever been. And the best acted. It was so, so hard to watch, knowing we won't see her again. My heart still aches.

I loved the theme of failure - and that failure mostly stemmed from men going off half-cocked. (If only everyone would stupid LISTEN TO LEIA FOR ONCE.) (That's also what I liked about Rogue One: real talk, sometimes life is shit and everyone dies.) Nothing was pat, everyone was human, everyone effed up. Times are insane and we all do stupid things when we're on the edge like this.

TLJ was so timely in this way, too. I can't help but hold its outline up to real life events and see if it fits - and horrifically, it does. The Resistance is in tatters and on the run, out of gas, and unsure of how to regroup. You can cut off the head of the snake (or Snoke, LOL) but the angry, privileged, emo white guy who thinks that HE'S the victim will just step up and take his place.

I loved that Kylo Ren's redemption was a fake-out. No, you don't get to be That Guy and then get a pass because you felt betrayed. He's so timely because he's the guy that we're all already afraid of: the kid who had everything, but got radicalized into thinking that he was the real victim, the oppressed party, throwing a tantrum because the world isn't sorry enough. He's so toxic he even negs Rey. "You're NOBODY. But not to me." He’s exactly what alt-right / “alpha” men see in themselves: secretly not so alpha, just kind of a pathetic bully, and now even major geek culture like Star Wars is rejecting him. UNCOMFY :)

I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED the reveal about Rey's parents. I love that it built up to nothing. That you can be "nobody" and still be strong in the Force. You don't need some kind of Skywalker pedigree, or privilege, or some weird Jesus parthenogenesis backstory. ANYONE can be Force sensitive - an orphan from a trash planet, a kid in a stable. Me. ;)

I loved that Rose was talking about Canto Bight so that I expected it to be your typical "wretched hive of scum and villainy" and then it was... Trump Casino :lol: Or anyway, a bunch of rich bastards doing rich bastard stuff. It seems like a lot of people didn't like that whole subplot, but for me, it was on point.

And that moment of silence where Holdo kamikaze'd into the Supremacy (and yup, oh how I love that name for a Star Destroyer!) was breathtaking.

And so was Leia's space-flight scene. I mean it was gutting to see her in every scene, but in that one, she was so beautiful and heroic in a way I've never seen Leia before. I was grateful for that scene.

And just in a fangirl way, I loved the vupltex, fathiers, and even the porgs. Why don't people like the porgs? I thought they were cute and funny.

And yes, I am sad that I had to watch my very first boyfriend die with my own two eyes. :( But I get it. *sigh* Out with the old etc.

I probably won't have the cash or the time to see it again before DVD release. What a long wait for a second viewing. :/ But I loved it, and I still feel euphoric over it.

Those are my scattered thoughts.


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